|
Post by artisans on Jun 29, 2011 17:19:34 GMT 2
Border control UK, Air traffic Greece, Taxis in Paris - this situation is clearly escalating and one wonders if there is some element of international influence or co-ordination behind it all.
|
|
|
Post by smg on Jun 29, 2011 17:44:45 GMT 2
Chris what do you mean by 'weak' ? is it those people that Government ministers feel they can treat as they wish regardless, and secondly when people sign up for the armed forces they are aware of what they are signing on for and are presumably happy to accept those conditions. They do a fantastic job in horrendous conditions but it is a job that they have chosen to do. People in other forms of employment are having their conditions changed without any say.
|
|
|
Post by sthelenssaint on Jun 29, 2011 18:33:47 GMT 2
i work on a building site management dont provide welfare facilities, i go on strike, iam weak chris putting it politely u are talking out of your anus whether it is management or goverment if you feel you are being treated unfairly you have the right to strike .
|
|
|
Post by sthelenssaint on Jun 29, 2011 19:01:24 GMT 2
kath this doctor was from the greek NHS type hospital in effect a public sector worker how can he mislead /cheat the system and , i would imagine taxed at scource although iwill bow to anyone who has knowledge of the greek tax system
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 0:15:00 GMT 2
Chris what do you mean by 'weak' ? is it those people that Government ministers feel they can treat as they wish regardless, and secondly when people sign up for the armed forces they are aware of what they are signing on for and are presumably happy to accept those conditions. They do a fantastic job in horrendous conditions but it is a job that they have chosen to do. People in other forms of employment are having their conditions changed without any say. We could say the same about any employment. When you start work, do your induction, or whatever, you know what you letting yourself in for. As for the teachers, they knew that they would need a pension, just like so many others. Therefore why did they not do something about it themselves, instead of relying on government handouts.
Yes, they are weak, as is all strikers. They would rather pull the whole country down further than do something about their own financial situation, or take heed of the reasons why for instead of being selfish and thinking of themselves.
I might be talking out of my anus as you kindly put it sthelenssaint, but what the strikers of all kind are doing are spreading the s**t.
|
|
|
Post by johnofish on Jun 30, 2011 1:58:03 GMT 2
As a former member of the Royal Navy ( 24 years Service ) and a former member of Trades Unions ( T & G and Prospect ) I find myself in total disagreement with Chris's viewpoint that Strikers are weak !! I resigned from the Unions because, for the most part, they have become toothless havens for malcontents who would not be listened to without the ' Union Rep' badge on their shirt !!! My father, two Brothers, and three nephews were Miners. I watched with horror and disgust the results of the Miners Strike brought on by Scargill and his cronies. I bitterly opposed this strike which caused a great deal of bad feeling in my family ( and probably many others ). With the current restrictions on Strike action, agreements to accept an impasse, closely regulated ballots, cooling-off periods, ACAS, an actual Strike taking place shows a total breakdown in any negotiations ! If I enter into a contract with an Employer, I expect the Contract to be honored. Taking strike Action is not the last option ........ Mass withdrawal of labor is !! Yes, I do mean Mass Resignations !!! If you think Strikes would bring the country to its knees, just think what Mass Resignations would do !!! If an Employer takes on new employees with a Contract which is inferior to those already doing the same job, and the new employee accepts this, there can be no room for dispute !! Read the small print before you sign !!! Weak to strike Have you any idea how much Strike Pay is ?? I hope the issues leading up to this action can be resolved. If not ...... we really are in the poop !!!
|
|
|
Post by sthelenssaint on Jun 30, 2011 7:24:15 GMT 2
i work for a social housing provider ,up to commencing work with them ihad no pension provision [except from the company where i served my time]now after12years contributions along with my employeri can look forward to a small but welcome pension . but this goverment want to increase my contribution but reduce the weeklly amount i recieve , somehow that doe,s not quite appeal to me .and before you reply with "you should have provided for yourself " chris . the nature of the building trade denied you this. and as for s**t i think most of it is coming from you
|
|
|
Post by artisans on Jun 30, 2011 8:22:05 GMT 2
I have two friends staying in Roda at the moment who are intelligent and knowledgeable people, but who have no idea what is going on elsewhere in the country. They actually told me, spontaneously, last week that the country is booming. One has worked for a major bank for many years and the other is self-employed. They live in the south-east and have a caravan and a boat in the south-west - not too far from where Chris lives. Their honest perception is that the pubs & restaurants in both regions are full and the shops are busy, therefore everyone, and hence the country, is doing well. This is totally at odds with what everyone north of Watford is saying, but they think I am wrong.
It is easy to see how opinions can be so diverse and this in itself is a major cause for concern. If the people in the south fail to understand the problems elsewhere, and if they disregard and dispute what the rest of us are going through, then we are heading for trouble. For years now we have heard the disgruntled remark about 'it's OK if you can fly from Gatwick' - but this time it is much more serious.
I applaud anyone who tries to provide for himself and successive governments have encouraged this to ease unemployment and pension strain, but the rate of small business failures is enormous and, I would guess, getting even bigger. The problem, Chris, is political, and it is time for the politicians, and all those who have been more fortunate, to listen. Until they do, there will be trouble everywhere. As Johno implies, this may suit the purposes of our 'friends' across the water with whom we have a 'special relationship' and from whom came the initial crisis. We are all pawns in the game ...
|
|
|
Post by artisans on Jun 30, 2011 8:34:05 GMT 2
... one further thought - the honest opinions of my friends merely serve to add fuel to a fire that they think does not even exist in the first place. Let's hope that they don't get themselves burned.
Steve
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 11:02:46 GMT 2
As a former member of the Royal Navy ( 24 years Service ) and a former member of Trades Unions ( T & G and Prospect ) I find myself in total disagreement with Chris's viewpoint that Strikers are weak !! I resigned from the Unions because, for the most part, they have become toothless havens for malcontents who would not be listened to without the ' Union Rep' badge on their shirt !!! Weak to strike Have you any idea how much Strike Pay is ?? I hope the issues leading up to this action can be resolved. If not ...... we really are in the poop !!! I am surprised at your comments Johno. Although you indicate you left the Union, you believe that they are toothless, etc, yet you disagree with my referral to weakness. You refer to the miners strike, and again as you say this caused discontent beyond belief. Families still not talking to each other today. Thatcher put a stop then to the ways Unions thought they controlled the country and their mafia tactics, and the Unions have got weaker and weaker by the year. As for strike pay. With a job I had, I was involved in a strike, but as I was not a member of the union, I continued to work and got full pay, whereas the strikers got something like £7 strike pay. Was it worth it, no, the strike was over in a few days with no difference in conditions.
sthelenssaints, some how I do not think so, and I am at a loss as to why you should think so. One can only think that you are a staunch Union stalwart, or was. I do not know. However, I am entitled to my opinion as much as anyone else.
I was wondering if Steve in his comments was referring to a north and south divide. I do not believe in that scenario. There are as many people in strikes, troubles etc as anywhere else in the country.
|
|
|
Post by bert122 on Jun 30, 2011 17:46:05 GMT 2
I totally disagree with yor comments about being weak if you strike!! I was on strike for 12 months (yes i was a miner) and i felt it was fully justified, at least i had the ***** to stand up for myself and my beliefs not like some people who just nod their heads and agree!!!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by kathwebber on Jun 30, 2011 17:49:39 GMT 2
This is clearly a very emotive and divisive topic - lets at least show courtesy and respect to one another. Takes cover!
regards, Kath.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 17:52:36 GMT 2
Like I said, these are my opinions, as yours are yours. Both my Grandfather and Father were miners in Wales and England, but did not have the need to strike. They did there business by talking, nodding heads and agreeing.
Strikes, and in particular at this time are not going to help the problem. If the money is not there, it cannot be given out can it, I thought that would be logical. Obviously the well paid teachers and others, beleive otherwise.
The weakness in this case comes not realising the implications that this could cause by just thinking for themselves.
|
|
|
Post by sthelenssaint on Jun 30, 2011 18:00:56 GMT 2
man and boy union member shop steward convener and proud of it. in the job you had chris did you enjoy overtime pay ,tea and dinner breaks, 40 hr or even 37hr weeks , annual holidays , decent and safe working conditions ,welfare facilities. not awarded by management, all usually fought for. and won by trade unions i hope you rejected any pay rises or improved working conditions negotiated by the unions you so abhor ... i think not
|
|
|
Post by sthelenssaint on Jun 30, 2011 18:14:45 GMT 2
i am sorry but i must reply again "WELL PAID TEACHERS "are you for real ? a teacher commencing employment cannot start paying back the new tuition feeson their starting salary for at least 10 yrs. £21000 ithink is the figure it is blatantly obvious chris u wish for a return of thatcherism . i am all right jack ....
|
|