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Post by sthelenssaint on Apr 11, 2009 1:09:15 GMT 2
i dont know about light-hearted i would be light-headed if i started smoking again i stopped for the well-being of my grand-kids and my wife i do not regret my choice and now regret my 40yrs of smoking i welcome the ban inotonly for the reasons i stopped but also the passive smoking i inflicted on people who did not smoke
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Apr 11, 2009 10:47:32 GMT 2
Post by holidaywashlaundry on Apr 11, 2009 10:47:32 GMT 2
Oh Bull that is so true!!! But don't let this ban when it comes into place get you down. I am a non-smoker but I have spoken to many smokers who can't think of a better way of smoking than going out, facing the sea & looking at the beautiful views of Albania to themselves. Just them and their cigarets Its so sad that this may pull you away from such a lovely place!
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Apr 11, 2009 17:29:27 GMT 2
Post by chrissey on Apr 11, 2009 17:29:27 GMT 2
i gave up smoking 6 months ago and feel so much better but i dont knock any one who has a f*g i loved one but had to give up for my health
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Apr 11, 2009 17:50:12 GMT 2
Post by petra on Apr 11, 2009 17:50:12 GMT 2
To smoke or not to smoke... that´s the question.... ;D Both my husband and me never smoked but we have been dealing with this problem since about 1985, most of the familymembers are `passionate` smokers. We asked them not to smoke in our house, but they were not amused...at all! Later on when our son was born in 1991, we told them that they could NOT longer smoke in our house at all, that was a bit easier to ask from them because of (the health of) the newborn baby. Ever since, they all go outside, whether it's summer or winter , to have their cigarette, and it doesn't seem to bother them anymore.... it is just a matter of getting used to it I think.
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Apr 11, 2009 23:02:06 GMT 2
Post by anji on Apr 11, 2009 23:02:06 GMT 2
Im a smoker but its getting harder to enjoy a ciggy anywhere, it looks terrible to see people standing outside the pubs smoking especially in town,we went to a hotel in Dunoon and there must have been about 20 people standing outside having a ciggy i thought it was a fire drill,we also have wardens going about and if they catch you throwing your ciggy on the ground they give you a fine of £60.
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Apr 11, 2009 23:16:02 GMT 2
Post by smg on Apr 11, 2009 23:16:02 GMT 2
Steve, Don't smoke never have or will. The ban? Undoubtedly a good thing especcially as it has given a number of smokers the determination neede to achieve the very difficult task of giving up. Even before the ban, increased awareness of passive smoking meant that more smokers were taking steps not to smoke in areas where people generally were not smoking. I also believe that people like me should try to imagine what it is like for people who have smoked for a very long time and genuinely enjoy it being told what they can or can't do. If the next ban was to involve under 15's not being allowed into the bars and tavernas after 8 pm I would have a very real problem - take my daughters on hoilday or leave them at home? I'm sure they would find things to do in England.
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Apr 11, 2009 23:45:31 GMT 2
Post by bigjohn on Apr 11, 2009 23:45:31 GMT 2
With forecasts of a 15% drop in tourism in the Euro countries this year, if the Greek government is aiming the smoking ban at tourists, then they have shot themselves in the foot.
The non smoking gestapo, health and safety, and PC brigades, usually win in the end, just erode more of our individual rights and freedoms. Why not a smoking and non smoking area as I experienced in Belgium last year ?
Fortunatly as pointed out by others, Greece having a pleasant climate will enable those who enjoy a smoke to do so outside without freezing to death, and there are bars and restaurants which have open aspects like the Dolfin, and Smileys, where presumably it will be O.K. to smoke. In the Uk , the end of smoking in pubs etc is contributing to the closure of 5 pubs a day, great for business!!!!!!!!!
Bj
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2009 0:14:13 GMT 2
The point of the matter is bigjohn, if one reads the Greek Tourist Boards communiques, and the media stories that go with it, it is not Greece directly doing this, but as we did, a directive from Europe. On the other hand it was the tourists who were asking with regards to the same bans being placed in Greece. So in reality the start of this has come from the likes of us, the visitor.
With regards to such places as the UK, and not like seeing smokers outside of pubs. If the Uk government had got off their backsides sooner, and left it to the clubs, pubs and breweries, satisfactory internal accommodationg could have been made for the smoker. In our local club, and pub there is a large room hardly used, which could have had adequate extractor fans put in place, to make the perfect smoking room. But once again our government did not think, did not allow those in the know to get on with it, and made their directives. This is what has spread around the rest of Europe, the UK method.
Yeiamas, Chris
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Post by artisans on Apr 12, 2009 8:01:25 GMT 2
If the suggestion that children cannot enter bars in the evening is in any way related to the smoking ban, then the implication must be that some bars will still be allowed to accommodate smokers. This would bear out the original proposal that premises of less than 70 sq.m. will be able to choose to be smoking or non-smoking. If smoking is banned from all licensed premises, then there should not be a problem for youngsters.
Steve
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Post by artisans on Apr 12, 2009 8:12:50 GMT 2
Hi John - you have highlighted one of my main issues concerning smokers. As you say, in Roda, we can all find a pleasant outside area to enjoy a leisurely coffee and watch the world go by. If you cross the English Channel, you will find the 'Cafe Society' alive and well and enjoying their pavement cafes right through the year. In the UK, greedy councils tried to charge for tables on the street and we were denied the opportunity to enjoy this most simple of pleasures. Suddenly, the smoking ban is introduced, and there are tables on streets all around the country. As a non-smoker, if I am now to take advantage of tables in the open air, I have to share them with all the smokers. Perverse, isn't it?
Steve
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Apr 13, 2009 21:57:27 GMT 2
Post by bull on Apr 13, 2009 21:57:27 GMT 2
i think smg has hit the nail on the head because part of this bill states no access for under 18s to bars at any time which is probably more relevant to the majority on here than the restrictions on smoking which im beginning to wish i hadnt commented on lol only joking i promise i wont breathe my smoke on anyone if im allowed to come
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Apr 14, 2009 10:24:35 GMT 2
Post by aussiepair on Apr 14, 2009 10:24:35 GMT 2
Being a non- smoker from a family of smokers, smoking has never annoyed me. What I find a little bit upsetting is the under lying threat of children being banned from licence premises. Coming from Australia and having been to Europe, it was a great to be able to take our boys with us on a night out. I did not like it on returning to England we couldn't go out as children were not welcome. Hope they don't bann children from premises, it seems to me it is only the English that don't like children.
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Apr 14, 2009 10:40:10 GMT 2
Post by artisans on Apr 14, 2009 10:40:10 GMT 2
There is a lot of conjecture at the moment about the restrictions to be placed on youngsters in bars. I guess we will have to wait until we can read the full statement. To me, unless it is health-related, I can see no reason to change the law. In the UK, one can appreciate the need to distance youngsters from alcohol, but that is not a big issue in Greece. If the proposals are connected to the smoking ban, then it is only a problem in premises where smoking continues - if there is such a place.
Steve
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Apr 14, 2009 11:13:47 GMT 2
Post by parsonsgang on Apr 14, 2009 11:13:47 GMT 2
As the Greeks are known for their love of children I'd be surprised if they were to ban them from bars. I certainly hope not as going into bars, doing karaoke, quiz nights and general socialising is a big part of our holiday for us and our three children. We barely go out when we're at home so this is our chance once a year when we can go out as a family in a family resort, stay up late (very exciting for the children) and generally just chill out.
As for smoking, we gave up two years ago which was very difficult at the time so I know how smokers feel, but I do quite like the idea of my children not being surrounded by other peoples smoke. Nikki
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Jun 27, 2009 17:06:36 GMT 2
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 17:06:36 GMT 2
The following news article was taken from the Greek & English online newspaper, "The Kathermini", dated, 27th June 2009. It looks like the Greeks are no different than the rest of the Europeans. The Workers and Unions leaving everything to the last moment. From all the information I have read, I think it is quite straight forward as to what to do, and who is and who is not allowed to have smoking within their premises. On the other hand, perhaps a short term amnesty could be give, say until the end of the season, when then the owners of businesses can use the closed months to get the job done ready for the new season. At least the Greek government departments are standing firm on this.
Yeiamas, Chris
Traders hazy about smoking ban
A few days before Greece introduces strict regulations to crack down on smoking in public places, in line with European Union law, bar and restaurant owners are reportedly unclear about the implications of the changes on their businesses and will be given a grace period to adapt.
“We have made a conscious decision to adapt to these measures gradually as there has been no anti-smoking conscience in Greece for 20 years,” Alexis Zorbas, who is coordinating the Health Ministry’s campaign, told Skai radio. Although the regulations will come into effect on Wednesday, July 1, Zorbas said that bars and restaurants would be granted “a grace period” – the duration of which was not specified – in which to make the necessary changes.
According to the new regulations, bars and restaurants larger than 70 square meters must create separate sections for smokers, while owners of establishments smaller than 70 square meters must decide whether to declare the premises exclusively smoking or nonsmoking. Zorbas called on the owners of bars, restaurants and nightclubs to visit their municipal authorities in order to receive the special stickers that will determine whether they are nonsmoking establishments or premises with special zones for smokers.
Meanwhile, the head of the national union representing restaurateurs and nightclub owners, Yiannis Tsakos, told Skai that the repercussions of the new regulations on different kinds of establishments was not totally clear and called on the Health Ministry to make an eleventh-hour exception for these traders.
According to Tsakos, it is unclear whether the proposed changes would constitute a violation of traders’ operating licenses. He also expressed fears that the glass “wall” that nightclubs are expected to set up to segregate smokers from nonsmoking patrons could be a safety risk.
Tsakos called on the ministry to exempt nightclubs from the regulations, expressing fears that the fines would cripple a struggling sector. “We already have seen a 30 percent drop in turnover and this may drop to 50 percent in the winter due to the ban,” Tsakos said, warning of job losses.[/i]
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