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Post by sthelenssaint on Jul 6, 2011 21:58:38 GMT 2
i reiterate the above post but can anyone give me advice on how to stop inane pm,s
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 0:09:19 GMT 2
Inane: lacking sense, significance, ideas, silly, empty, void. Perfect discription of such strikes. LOL.
I did not want to continue this on the open forum, or via PM. The latter was exactly to keep it off the open forum. The wishes of others. I refuse to be drawn into an argument on your ideals, because as you have seen, I do not agree with such actions. As I said this is my opinion. If this does not satisfy you, then that is not my concern or fault. Let the thread continue, but I wish to not continue with our individual grievances.
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Post by sthelenssaint on Jul 7, 2011 8:15:07 GMT 2
the heading for this thread describes you to a T . as stated previously i no longer wished to post RE .this thread but you persisted by pm,s that tried to provoke response, not once did you answer the direct questions i asked you about pensions or pay rises ,conditions please refrain from personal messages as i find them as described ,inane . and frankly quite boring , and childlike , for instance [and i am paraphrasing ]you to steve ,you let sthelenssaint do it why cant i .lastly and i mean that sincerely i am wondering why you stopped posting did someone upsetyou,maybe .
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Post by artisans on Jul 7, 2011 8:32:16 GMT 2
This is an issue that concerns us all - especially from the point of view of accuracy as the media take us off course again. It would be good for the thread to get back on course - would anyone care to comment on the conflict in Greece and how it is affecting us? All views are welcomed, but please accept that there are wide range of perspectives - isn't that what forums are about?
Steve
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Post by kathwebber on Jul 7, 2011 12:21:17 GMT 2
the good thing about pm's is that you can see who they are from prior to reading them - so the simple solution is to delete and not read - not rocket science!
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Post by uptonogood on Jul 7, 2011 12:29:58 GMT 2
Chris, Have you ever stood up against anything or anyone during your life and said "that's out of order, I'm not having that"?
Have you ever had to live on a wage which meant you barely had enough to House, Feed and clothe yourself or your family?
Do you believe in equality for all and that everybody deserves a fair days pay for a fair days work?
Are you like most other people, sick of the people that choose not to work because they are better off living off the state?
I'd be interested in your answers so that I can understand where you are coming from in your position on this subject.
I worked for 25 years for one of the most famous and 'respected' companies in the UK. I had a very good job at their London Head Office and a pretty good standard of living. I considered myself fortunate.
I then saw at first hand, how new senior management systematically attacked the employees benefits over a 4 year period. They made mass redundancies and forced people to leave the company after many years of loyal service. The companies 'staff representative groups' were absolutely useless and powerless to do anything about it. The company 'consulted' with the staff representative groups and then pushed through its plans, ignoring any employees concerns. This company like many others does not officially recognise a trade union. If the employees (or a significant proportion thereof) were organised within a trade union, they may well have been able to negotiate with the company and agree a compromise. By the way, the Company makes over £1bn profit each year and continues to cut costs in its workforce and screw its suppliers, forcing many to go bust in the process.
Withdrawal of ones labour is a basic human right. It is not done lightly, it is a serious action and is the last resort in any industrial dispute. Don't let the media hysteria about nasty Bob Crowe and the RMT cloud your judgement and tar every union with the same brush.
The Public Sector Strikes last week in the UK were not supported by the 3 biggest unions (Unite, Unison and GMB). They are still in negotiations with the government. Remember also that there are 4m union members in this country, many of whom earn less than £20,000 per year and are struggling to make ends meet.
I was at the huge march in London earlier in the year. Around half a million people, kids, pensioners, families, firemen, ambulance workers, teachers, disabled in fact people from all walks of life, protesting peacefully. Forget about the mindless idiots who tagged along and caused trouble afterwards, if you had bothered to attend this you would have seen that it was just normal people, that had had enough of being blamed for the mess the country is in.
I won't go on anymore, but please understand this....You might not be struggling in the current climate, but there are millions of hardworking people that are finding it increasingly difficult to make ends meet.
Tony
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 13:27:01 GMT 2
Let me answer sthelenssaint comments first. Let it be known I did not PM him to provoke a response, but to divert it the two way argument from the main forum as it was causing concern for others. The PM system is design for this to refrain from continuing the tit for tat attitude of sthelenssaint. I was not trying to continue the argument as he put it but was indicating loudly that I wished to stop and would not continue on the boards as such. However, I am willing to get back to the original article.
In response to Tony's comments:
I spent 30 plus years in the Armed Forces, the Royal Navy where I had to stand up to many things, including conflicts, wars around the world where I had no say in the matter, but to be deployed. As you may or may not know, such actions as Unions impose on others is forbidden in the armed forces as an act of treason. Some people who do not know the armed forces indicate that we joined up so we take the chance. No one wishes to go to war, but we have to. If you decide yourself you are not, one pays the consequences as recently seen on national news this week where one naval rating was sentenced to 7 years, disrated, and discharged from the services dishonourably. For this, most serving on ships would be earning less than £20k.
Even serving in the armed forces there have been times when I have had troubles financially causing problems for myself and my family. However, being in the armed forces we cannot claim benefits, or certainly could not then. In my profession with in the Navy, a deficit financially put one as a security risk, and a watchful eye would be maintained until such times as one got back on ones feet.
I believe that you earn what you are entitled to dependent on your qualifications, and experience. I certainly do not think that some one in a management position should be earning the same as a manual worker. However, in the armed forces we were paid by rank and not trade, ie, a Petty Officer Chef, or Communications, or Engineer all got paid the same. That was equality on rank and not trade.
I will admit I am peeved off at how much the government hands out in benefits for those who sit on their backsides day after day. On leaving the armed forces I took up employment as a School Site Manager, a job I enjoyed very much, but I maintained my ideals on the way I looked at employment. Unfortunately, 3 years ago I had to take early retirement on medical grounds. From that moment onwards my income was my Naval Pension, now just over £10k per annum. Because of this, I am not allowed to receive benefits of any kind. So although my wife works, our combined salary dropped by around £8k per annum. But I do not drip or moan about the loss, or not being able to receive benefits because I am told I am no entitled. One adjusts to the way of their living, and continues on. Personally I feel more legislation should be brought in regarding the amount of benefits one receives.
My gripe on the issue of strikes, etc, is that in my opinion as I tried to express before, is that I do not believe it does any good for oneself, the work force, and for the country. At present, both Greece and indeed the UK are struggling to get their finances back on track. Work forces withdrawing labour can only add fuel to the fire. If there is no money to give out or increase wages, or pension funds, what is the point. It is a dead end street.
Unison and Unite may not have been involved in the teachers strike as you stated, but they are certainly causing mayhem in Southampton at present. They have been out on strike for a number of weeks because the council have indicated that they are cutting wages by upto 25%. If this is not implemented then there will be job losses on a greater scale. The council are trying to save money under the government legislataions, and at the same time trying to save the jobs of their employees. In the meantime, rubbish, waste, and other materials stack up on the streets of Southampton causing environmental problems and disease. As the unions have insisted they will extend the strike action, the council will be forced into employing outside contractors to remove the waste, causing more financial loss, and in a sense forcing them to move away from the offers already laid before the unions.
Why do you have to say, "If I bothered to attend". Why would I, I do not agree with strike action in any way or form. This is my perogative, therefore I would be going against my own thoughts and ideals on striking. Thats inane.
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Post by uptonogood on Jul 7, 2011 15:16:48 GMT 2
Thanks for your response Steve.
I do understand your position, even though I disagree with your views on strike action.
You must remember though that people join a union for advice and protection in the workplace.
The unions do not force their members to go on strike. They have a democratic ballot and the members themselves make the decision. A ballot costs alot of money to arrange and most unions do this only after canvassing opinions. There are also many examples where members have voted not to go on strike.
Do you not think it unfair that as someone who served their Queen and country (and I take my hat off to you for that), you and many others like you are left to struggle financially, whilst the MP's and bankers who caused most of the economic mess sit back enjoying huge salaries, bonuses and pensions.
Many are calling for a so called 'Robin Hood tax' which involves a levy of just 5p on every stock market transaction. Even the most conservative of analysts state that this would raise between £30bn and £50bn per year....More than enough to offset the current spending cuts.
Why should you and others that played no part in causing the mess have to pay for it?
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Post by sthelenssaint on Jul 8, 2011 18:29:28 GMT 2
sorry idid state that i would not post on this thread again but i retain the right to reply .and i quote "i did not pm him to provoke a response" here are some of the phrases used in the pm. ex unionist or striker,big mouth no good strikers ,one sided person, you have your reasons for causing mayhem,typical union rep ,showing off on open forum if but one phrase was used it would surely provoke . iam not a unionist. iam a union member amongst 4 million others, striker. iam not on strike my union has not yet balloted .big-mouthed no good strikers ,see previous sentence but i have struck in the past .one sided person ,as a steward and convener i was elected by the members to represent them to be one sided would not have acheived any progress in any negotiations ,you have your reasons for causing mayhem ,i have no part ,at the moment ,of the strikes in greece or the uk except to support people fighting to maintain a decent standard of living and not see it eroded through the financial mess the banks put us in .typical union rep ,i have not been a rep /shop steward for over 20 yrs but still a member with a sense of justice .showing off on an open forum . iam a quite taciturn northener, who lives for his family and would die for my grandchildren i am not a showoff as anyone that knows me will testify in fact i am proud that on one reference it was said what you see is what you get .form your own opinions if the words /phrases were not meant to provoke a response . this definitley is my last post[and i can and have played that on remembrance sunday]on this topic john
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Post by jeanp on Jul 8, 2011 20:13:56 GMT 2
Oh for God's sake........let it drop... Thought PM's were meant to be private anyway!!!!! (Private Message???) I'll be careful who I send any to in future
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Post by kernowman on Jul 8, 2011 20:40:20 GMT 2
Hear hear to that ,JeanP
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Post by kezzer on Jul 9, 2011 0:18:03 GMT 2
Nice one mum!!!! say it as it is!!!!! Its so playground now!!!! Lets get back to talking about Roda! which is a place we all save up all year to go and enjoy, cos we all have something in common you know!!!! we love RODA!!!!
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Post by smg on Jul 9, 2011 1:13:58 GMT 2
Chris you are so wrong. Your posts were aggressive and in my view provocative and when you use such weak comments as 'nice one mum' as a sign of support I think you show that you know that you probably lost this one. Yes we love Roda but there is a world beyond the crossroads and sometimes this has to be acknowledged on this forum.
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Post by jeanp on Jul 9, 2011 1:26:44 GMT 2
Chris you are so wrong. Your posts were aggressive and in my view provocative and when you use such weak comments as 'nice one mum' as a sign of support I think you show that you know that you probably lost this one. Yes we love Roda but there is a world beyond the crossroads and sometimes this has to be acknowledged on this forum. Hi smg..... If you read the post again, I think you'll find that it was my daughter Kerry who used this 'weak comment' as you call it.....nothing to do with Chris.....
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