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Post by Ian on Dec 15, 2008 22:16:29 GMT 2
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Post by pete sant on Dec 16, 2008 0:39:54 GMT 2
We are certainly living in uncertain times, though you would think the drop in the price of oil should swallow any fluctuation in currency rates, as you say we will have to wait & see. pete.
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Post by petra on Dec 16, 2008 11:08:37 GMT 2
Pete, I read somewhere a while ago, that they buy / order their fuel (for the aeroplanes I mean) by contract two years in advance, so it will take a while then before we profit from the lower oil prices......
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Post by artisans on Dec 16, 2008 14:27:54 GMT 2
From what Chris told us Pete, the airlines, allegedly, 'bought' their fuel last year when prices were still rising. At least, that is the excuse they will give for not dropping their charges. Of course, they don't actually take possession of the fuel until they fill up, in fact, the fuel doesn't even exist when they pay for it and could still be in the ground. I knew a Frenchman once who sold tens of thousands of barrels of oil in a big deal and then had to go out and find somebody to buy it from. He had houses in Paris & London and several other places as well, he 'owned' a polo team consisting of forty Argentinian horses and the maid's room in Paris had a Canaletto painting in it. Do you think that he cares if you have to pay an extra tenner?
While on this issue, is it reasonable to assume that, in a falling fuel market, a new airline has an advantage?
Steve
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Post by pete sant on Dec 16, 2008 15:44:15 GMT 2
Hi Steve, i don't think any of them care about the paying public, a very sad sign of our times. pete.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2008 18:30:04 GMT 2
Yes, it is a very common practice within the airline industry to purchase fuel well in advance. This obviously has a big bearing on your ticket price as to the value of oil at the time of your holiday. We have also heard of hidden extras being added in before. I have yet to see a governement legisltation brought in telling the travel industry to show the actual price of holiday. Many holidays advertised one sees in the window or a brochure, and online will start at a price, and by the time one gets to the end, you have added another £100 to the holiday per person. Over the past couple of years a number of airline/tour operators have dropped the meal from the flight, yet the ticket is the same price as before, and if you want a meal you pay £5 or £10 each way per person for that meal. The excuse was that too many meals were wasted, so it was cost effective to do it this way. However, I do not recall many flights where a passenger did not have his or her meal.
It only has to be a matter of time before they make a rod for their own backs when in this particular financial crunch the general public will not have the money to take their holiday. Travel buffs say this is wrong, travel will always be on everyones list regardless of costs. Where do they get their figures from. Some holidays for 2009 are 20 - 25% more in cost. Do we get that in a pay rise. NO.
Yeiamas, Chris
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Post by artisans on Dec 16, 2008 19:54:19 GMT 2
I seem to remember that, a couple of years ago, the UK government declared that all holidays should be offered at a set price with no hidden extras. I believe that a deadline was set but clearly this was never adhered to. The astonishing reason given for this move was that the standard of mathematical skills amongst the British public was so poor that holidaymakers could not work out the final price. This was clearly stated on TV at the time and one must ask, if it is true, whose fault is that?
The exchange rate with the euro has been down around 1.14 for some days, but yesterday the news programmes made a splash if this 'all-time' low. Now call me cynical, but isn't this the time of year when many people turn their attention to next year's holidays? The question is, are the members of the media actually reporting news, or are they making a statement on behalf of the government? It would suit the government if we all took our 2009 holidays in the UK but it is a fallacy to believe that by staying in the Country, we will get a better deal - even at this exchange rate. Allowing for increasingly expensive flights, the fact is that a holiday in Roda will still be a better option. The costs of such a holiday will be fairly similar before you add in the benefits of climate, safety, adventure, excitement and friendship.
The only cheaper alternative is to have no holiday at all, and the government don't want that either.
Steve
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2008 0:26:36 GMT 2
Very true on all accounts. Personally I would not forego my holiday abroad, whether it was on Corfu, or in France. Either way, the benefits of those two weeks or more out weigh anything that can be offered within the UK.
When I first started getting the use of my legs back, we would go to Cornwall for our holiday. A nice drive down, good places to stay. However, two weeks for two, which included a room, with ensuite (like a small bungalow), and breakfast was £500, then there was the evening meals, fuel to get their and back and to drive around. Entrance fees to places likes Landsend (rip off) at £17 per person. Eden Project the same, and most other places were expensive. In total for two weeks, we spent the best part of £1200. When was this, 3 years ago.
I know Corfu can be cheaper for the two weeks, and so is France where we have been going as I still cannot fly at this time. Two weeks in France, ferry, fuel, cottage, food, entertainment, going out etc etc, £700 for two.
Until the UK drop things, then the holiday abroad will win. Yes the prices may rise, the cost of going abroad will be more expensive, but it still a winning option in the holiday competition.
Yeiamas, Chris
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Post by pete sant on Dec 17, 2008 0:38:22 GMT 2
Have to agree with you Chris, I for one will be giving up a lot of things before I give up my time in Roda, as I said to Debbie today what's another £100 compared to not going ? pete.
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Post by treece on Dec 17, 2008 10:10:54 GMT 2
have to agree with you chris
This year I took my (adult) kids to devon for 5 days.. it cost £380 for the caravan (4 nights) it cost £80 for membership to use pool etc which considering the weather was in demand.
The prices onsite were bad enough but the whole area was the county of rip-off
I will never have a holiday in the UK again... I'd rather spend my money and more importantly my holiday from work in Roda/Corfu.
Even if the sun isn't shining, the people are! ;D
xxxx T
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