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Post by aussiechef on Jul 18, 2012 8:27:38 GMT 2
John and I witnessed the little boy from Crusoes almost knocked down by a large motorbike, going the wrong way at high speed outside Crusoes a couple of years ago, by a local. As sthelensaint has said it doesn't matter the nationality, dangerous driving is the concern. By the way I have nothing to do with the young girls involved but it seems to me Steve you are raging a war against any of the large travel companies. If the large companies do anything they are denigrated on this site. How many people going independent these days actually found Roda initally through package holidays? I know you are trying to do your best for the locals but please a little more unbiased reporting. Bev
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Post by artisans on Jul 18, 2012 9:51:19 GMT 2
I'm quite upset by what you say, Bev, and I would have criticised the driver of the car whoever they were. It is not my fault that they are resort reps, a fact that makes the matter worse as they should be setting an example. I tried to present a balanced view by appealing for safer driving - the last thing we need is a fatality. I presented the facts as I saw them and I was there on the spot. If I had been waging war, then I would have named the company as requested here by others.
I applaud the tour operators for their support of Roda but, like all service providers, there are standards to be maintained. None of us can expect services to improve unless or until we bring our concerns to their attention. How can they improve if they don't know?
Steve
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Post by Lukertt on Jul 18, 2012 10:53:27 GMT 2
Im a regular but posting as guest as keep forgetting login: As for those saying its parents fault. ARGHHH GRRRRRE THEY DROVE THE WRONG WAY DOWN A ONE WAY ROAD FFS. If she ahd ran out and a car was going the right way maybe just maybe a tad bit u could say parents should be responsible. BUT YOU HAVE NO CASE TO ANSWER, and all i can say is good job i wasnt there as id probs been just as angry. THESE WOMEN should be arrested and done for careless driving In uk theyd be banned by now. Greek police DO MORE. these women should also be sacked and sent back home.
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Post by holidayman on Jul 18, 2012 11:27:17 GMT 2
Up until now i have not made a posting on this thread but as it seems to have got out of hand and personal in some of the issues here are my thoughts.
(1) I was not in Roda at the time of this incident but i believe it was fairly reported by Steve.
(2) Maybe a pro-active response by the driver would have defused the situation - it costs nothing to say sorry when you are in the wrong.
(3) Possibly the reaction by the people around the incident was over the top - but if it had been a member of your family who was almost hit by the car ask yourself how you would have reacted - with anger i think would be the answer.
(4) As we all agree road safety is paramount anywhere but especially in a holiday resort with all the distractions around and yes that applies both to car drivers and pedestrians.
(5) There is no excuse for driving stupidity anywhere in the world - a one way sign means just that - it is not an invitation to take a short cut to save yourself time.
(6) Maybe the Tour Operators before they hand a car to a resort rep who has probably never driven abroad before should make them sit and pass a company driving test in the country in which they are based for the season- both written and practical to ensure they understand the local road signs and laws.
(7) If the reps then break the driving laws of the country they are in after that then they should suffer the consequences accordingly - no exceptions.
(7) The price of my holiday might increase by a couple of pounds to pay for that i hear you say - but ask yourself what price do you put on your life or that of a loved on.
Nobody is having a witch-hunt against large Tour Operators or their employees - the simple message was in the title of the thread - Please Drive Carefully.
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Post by jacks on Jul 18, 2012 12:04:48 GMT 2
Well said, on all accounts, David!
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Post by abbie63 on Jul 18, 2012 13:16:50 GMT 2
I have read the previous post's on this subject and I was not there either to witness what happened so wont make a comment on that but what I will say is, that along that road it amazes me how fast not just the car's go but the bikes too. Although it is a small and quite narrow road it is used rather erratically by some user's and I am surprised there hasn't been more accidents. Kids do just run from the beach over to the shops for an ice cream and because it is such a narrow street the kids don't bother to look around . I know I too have been guilty of just walking into the road without looking not expecting the odd bike zooming around me. It is up to us the tourists to make sure that we all stay safe on this magnificent island whether driving or walking and under stand that we are not in our own country and driving laws although very similar are not the same. Whether driving or walking safety must come 1st and always be aware of other road users. Please all stay safe and enjoy your holiday at Roda because I know I will and, I will be driving this year so all stay off the roads from September 10th to 17th
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Post by kaz on Jul 18, 2012 13:45:57 GMT 2
I will steer well clear then abbie63.............enjoy your travels around the island.....
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Post by anita on Jul 18, 2012 13:57:33 GMT 2
Valid points all round. But Greek drivers do not set a good example i.e. one way streets = apply to whichever way they want to go; traffic lights = if they like the colour they will obey; double and tripple parking = norm; stopping in the middle of the road for a chat = of course!
If the police wanted to earn a little or a lot of extra revenue to help the country, they could quite eaily all day long and night too, ah but that would mean getting out of their chair.
Sorry but the above is fact.
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Post by davelinda on Jul 18, 2012 14:24:41 GMT 2
Well put Steve,Anita how are you I totally agree with what you say,maybe i should come out of retirement & apply to Corfu police for a posting to Roda.HAHA
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Post by aussiechef on Jul 18, 2012 15:50:24 GMT 2
Hi Steve, I am sorry I upset you but you stated 2 women were driving the car, then went onto state they were tour reps. I appreciate you were there and saw it all but it is no call for the witch hunt (and I know I will be criticised for that). It doesn't matter where they came from, what gender they were, they were driving in a dangerous manner. The roads are narrow and well sign posted so ALL people should obey the law. I didn't see any fingers pointed at the driver who caused the sad event of Kostas father. Also no sign on here of the protest held last week with a banner I think saying Corfu is not the only city. Bev
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Post by artisans on Jul 18, 2012 16:52:20 GMT 2
A witch-hunt is a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views, Bev, and my post was far from that. If I withhold information, I am equally chastised but I accept that as part of what I do here.
Having observed the unremorseful attitudes of the two girls in the car, I wanted to come on here and say something immediately but I chose to cool down first and consider what was the right thing to say. It seemed to me that to appeal for more road awareness was the issue here and I would have mentioned the occupants of the car whoever they had been. I chose not to disclose their company as that was not relevant, but I have written to them personally to ask for more care.
What you may not be aware of is that the ladies were involved in something similar a few days earlier at a hotel in the village and one forum member thought fit to reprimand them at that time. They have also been the cause of at least two other minor scrapes in the centre of the village and clearly there is a pattern.
Consider that if a serious accident had happened, the tour company would have been hauled over the coals by the press, particularly in the UK. In that event, the operator may have supported Roda less as a result. Trying to work with them to prevent such an accident must surely be the best policy.
I have no intimate knowledge of the other fatal incident last week so it would be unfair of me to accuse the driver of negligence - maybe you know something that I don't. I know nothing about protests with banners, so maybe you can report what you know.
Steve
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Post by anita on Jul 18, 2012 17:41:53 GMT 2
Hi Dave & Linda, we all good and yes I think you should show them how its done !
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Post by aussiechef on Jul 18, 2012 19:00:57 GMT 2
All I'm trying to say Steve there was no need to say they were tour reps. There has been plenty of nasty remarks on here about these young people " little Hitlers" comes to mind. If this young lady? is such a notoriously bad driver it should be taken up with her employer, dates, photos if possible and the incidents. Report bad driving on here, we all have tales of near misses in Roda. The protest I was referring to occured on 13th July, reported by Petra on Corfu, Roda online near and far. It was talking about lack of street lightning and referred to the tragic fatality. As to you have trouble reaching the right person to complain to, well after my experience with a certain airline, I emailed my complaints to the Airport and Airline company, I received apologies from both and even an invitation to meet with the General Manager. Bev
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Post by sthelenssaint on Jul 18, 2012 21:08:11 GMT 2
as stated earlier with our near miss [twice ] i didnt loose my cool but certainly both george and tula did , with i should imagine some fruity language .dangerous ,bad ,inconsiderate driving is unacceptable.i recall barriers used to be in operation at the top of coronation st and where myrons bikes used to be,maybe some preventitive measures could be installed at the dolphin junction ,as i seem to recall the reps in question usually park at the old stelli apartments
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Post by johnboy on Jul 19, 2012 6:24:40 GMT 2
Steve, Now that you have cooled down & witnessed this incident their unremorseful & unrepentant attitudes of the 2 girls, and are aware of similar incidents enough to contact them directly. Then to withhold this information from their employer is wrong, I'm sure the company would discipline them locally with their own set procedures and if appropriate hauled over the coals back in the UK. In my view it's hardly likely the operators would support Roda less, but would be greatful of any feedback on the reps they employ. So please don't worry about the future of these individuals the operator concerned would be better if they never represented them.
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