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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 11:06:53 GMT 2
Like Kernowman and others I too have on many occasions priced up flights with Ryanair, and found that invariably I can get it cheaper using another airline. It is a con, and always will be.
As for the baggage and demanding certificates. I do not think so, in particular at a busy airport departure. Step aside sir, and wait, I will get a supervisor.
How would other passengers react who are queuing behind you.
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Post by Ol'Salty on Dec 13, 2011 17:48:46 GMT 2
As for the baggage and demanding certificates. I do not think so, in particular at a busy airport departure. Step aside sir, and wait, I will get a supervisor.
How would other passengers react who are queuing behind you.
I guess that they (the other passengers) would just carry on as usual and probably watch with interest - whilst you drop out of the queue and wait for the supervisor! (QED)
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Post by artisans on Dec 13, 2011 17:50:08 GMT 2
Whatever means Ryanair uses to upset people, I am not sure that the word 'con' is the best way to describe what they do.
A 'con' is a confidence trick - an attempt to defraud a person or persons by gaining their confidence. In your case Chris, you have no confidence in them, so you cannot be conned. It also is fair to say that 'conmen' exploit others by virtue of their honesty, dishonesty, vanity, compassion, credulity, irresponsibility, naivety or greed.
Maybe there is a better word to describe what people feel ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 12:30:28 GMT 2
There is Steve, but no doubt you would edit that as well... ;D ;D.
Incidentally I use the word "Con" to describe the matter that the public are duped into thinking there is one price as viewed, only to find that as reported by members on this forum, a far greater price is a result. This is a con in my view, and whatever price is the eventual price, this should be made aware from the beginning.
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Post by kernowman on Dec 15, 2011 16:46:58 GMT 2
I'm with you on this one Chris." Conned" is an appropriate word as O'Leary keeps saying how cheap the fares are but neglects to say how extortionate the add-ons are. That to me is a "Con"
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Post by guest on Dec 15, 2011 21:02:25 GMT 2
Sorry ryanair is not a con,All airlines have add ons---baggage,extra weight for baggage etc,etc.If you know when you want to fly and keep on checking flights you really can get a bargain with Ryanair.I fly many times from Ireland to Liverpool for 30Euro return,try costing out the ferry prices????Also i have never been delayed.I know their baggage allowence is pricey but it is amazing what you can get into one of their allowed sizes.I even spent 10 days in Corfu this year with this allowance.So this is NOT a con
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Post by artisans on Dec 15, 2011 21:49:29 GMT 2
Personally, I think the add-ons are very well documented and reported - often by the very people who will not use the airline. Quite by chance, and without any prompting from me, (honestly! ), one local that I met today in the supermarket was telling me how good it was to travel with Ryanair. Like our guest, she remarked how much you can actually get into your hand luggage and, if you pay attention to detail, it is by far the cheapest option. She knows of many who are already booking for the early-season flights beginning at the end of March and costing something like £30. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 12:16:26 GMT 2
Personally, I think the add-ons are very well documented and reported - often by the very people who will not use the airline. I do think you are missing the point here Steve. No one is denying that the information is there online. However, the crux is that initially the fare is advertised at one price, but by the time one clicks the Buy and Book icon, as we have heard on this very thread, the price can increase dramatically. Yes, other airlines have similar methods, but these do not increase the total price by many folds.
Incidentally, I have used the airline for domestic flights because of the simple fact the route was more appropriate. However, than does not mean I condone the price hikes they eventually show in their final figures.
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Post by pete sant on Dec 16, 2011 19:02:30 GMT 2
Is there any chance that we can put this one to bed once & for all ? Love or hate how you get there, it's the end price that matters, if it's lower than the competition - that's great, if not - book with someone else. pete.
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Post by sthelenssaint on Dec 16, 2011 20:03:13 GMT 2
sorry pete people are entitled to opinions whether we agree with them or not .and the way some people express them .i dont think anyone can have any misconceptions what mine are but personal comments about people who dont have aright to respond dserve to be edited but not the thread
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Post by artisans on Dec 16, 2011 21:46:22 GMT 2
I have not missed the point at all, Chris - I asked the question as to whether the term 'confidence trick' is the best description of what is taking place. So far, no one has suggested a better description.
If the flight information is all online, then it is up to each of us to exert 'due dilligence.' I have not flown with Ryanair, nor even tried to book with them, but prices with most of the airlines I have used have often doubled in the final reckoning. I have no problem with this because, before I give my credit card details, I am given the final total. If that is not acceptable, then I look elswhere. I think the only one I have used that gives the true price up front is Aegean.
It matters little if the final price is one, two, or ten times the quoted price - if it is too dear, then look elsewhere. From what Pete reported, over 69 million Ryanair customers had no problem last year. Presumably the lady I met in Acharavi was one of them and she was extolling the virtues of the company.
2012 will be a difficult year for everyone, but it is encouraging to see that Ryanair are supporting Corfu in a big way. This comes after years of people complaining that they should be flying here. Let's hope that now they are, enough of us will use them to help sustain tourism on the Island.
Steve
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2011 11:26:05 GMT 2
We beg to differ Steve. I do see your point of view, but I fail to see how it is right that a price is quoted when first viewing an online business, only to have a price totally different at the end.
Good night Pete........... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by sthelenssaint on Dec 17, 2011 12:51:34 GMT 2
distasteful my word for it
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Post by artisans on Dec 17, 2011 18:10:26 GMT 2
The fact is, Chris, that in my experience, there is only Aegean, of the several airlines I have used, who don't practise this policy, but your criticism seems always to be aimed at Ryanair. Your attacks on the one company that is significantly increasing its confidence in the Island, and your undoubted support for Corfu as a tourist destination, seem to be somewhat at conflict.
I reported a few years ago, a recommendation by the UK government, that all advertised prices should be package prices. The reason given was worrying, as it was claimed that the British public were incapable of accurately adding up all the individual components. They clearly could be 'conned' because of their naivity, credulity and lack of competence in basic mathematics. Obviously, the person promoting that notion would have been strung up for such an allegation and the policy was never enforced.
Since that time, technology has caused a massive increase in flexibility within the travel industry, and any high street agent with the right software can build endless permutations of packages to suit individual needs. If you read the travel trade press, then you will see that the concept of bespoke holidays is a massive growth area. In this climate, it is unlikely that anyone will buck the trend and do what you are asking of them. Better for us all to get used to the idea, keep in touch with what is happening and learn how not to be exploited.
If you have more personal reasons for not using Ryanair, then that is your prerogative and you can make a vote against them by spending your money elsewhere, and flying with another airline.
Steve
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Post by andy on Dec 18, 2011 0:24:42 GMT 2
My last comment on this subject is that the BBC program called Rip off Britain that was aired on Friday, did not show Ryanair in a very good light, they charge £6 per person each way on admin cost ie debit or credit cards, this has gone up from £5 per person yet the banks still only charge them 20 pence per transaction.
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